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Water & Music’s Cherie Hu says Web3 and AI will revolutionize creativity: The Agenda

Water & Music founder Cherie Hu explains how technology is evolving the music industry — but is it to the benefit of musicians?

Curiosity might have killed the cat, but for musicians, it’s often the launchpad of creativity and innovation. 2023 saw the rapid growth of OpenAI’s powerful ChatGPT artificial intelligence tool, and technologies like Midjourney and Dall-E have provided content creators the ability to literally become a one-man band — or a one-person production studio.

Keeping pace with the rapid evolution of technology and its impact on relevant industries can be a challenge for the average busy person, and one of the goals of Water & Music is to offer a more research-backed approach for music industry professionals to inspect, discuss and experiment with new technologies.

On Episode 19 of The Agenda podcast, hosts Ray Salmond and Jonathan DeYoung speak with Cherie Hu, the founder of Water & Music — “an independent newsletter and research community on a mission to make the music industry more innovative, cooperative, and transparent.”

Change is inevitable

When asked about what’s new in the music industry, Hu recognized that “the old music business very much was driven by a small group of gatekeepers,” and she suggested that the pandemic, new technology and perhaps even some of the ideology that backs the Web3 movement would eventually change this status quo.

“The pandemic, I think, woke a lot of people up,” Hu said. “I think it encouraged people to become a lot more proactive about speaking out about and advocating for changes that they wanted to see.” She added:

“A lot of the most critical, like deeply critical, conversations I’ve heard about streaming have come in the last three years just because, due to the pandemic, artists were put in a position where they had to essentially rely solely on digital sources of income to make ends meet without touring. And then they look at their streaming checks and are like, ‘This is this is nothing. I can’t live off of this.’ And so, there have been a lot more productive conversations around alternative models to monetizing music in a digital context. Web3, of course, has played a huge, huge role in this.”

Historically, breaking into the music industry meant artists either needed to know the right people to get picked up or be able to fund their endeavors in a way that created enough ripples to capture a wider audience. Hu believes that within the traditional music industry, “a lot of those mechanisms haven’t really changed for like the last 10, 20, even 30 years,” but she also acknowledges that new technologies have opened up new methods for creators to completely circumvent the conventional path to success.

Hu said:

“The way that culture is moving, especially if you look at apps like TikTok and the impact that ecosystem has on music culture and what music, what songs get big, it just moves so quickly. The unfortunate part of the music industry is that the financing element has not caught up to it.”

According to Hu, Water & Music aspires to take a more analytical approach to how the music business is evolving and being impacted by emerging technologies.

“So when we think about the new music business, we definitely focus on new technologies that enable people to participate in the music industry. You know, whether it’s creating music, marketing music, building communities around it, monetizing it in totally new ways. We’re interested in that entire stack.”

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Web3 ideas and practices could become endemic to the music industry

Blockchain-based gaming, nonfungible token collections and other Web3 gimmicks were all the rage in 2020 and 2021 when the broader crypto space was in a bull market, but host Salmond wondered how relevant these tactics are today, particularly in the music industry.

Hu explained that with gaming, there are currently “more opportunities for building experiences than for monetizing them and building a business out of them. I would say that element is still missing and still challenging for a lot of indie artists.”

The infrastructure, time and overhead required to build out entire worlds is labor-intensive and not necessarily proven to be sticky, except for major gaming platforms like Roblox. Hu explained that a more pragmatic opportunity for artists might be sync licensing. According to her:

“Sync, or synchronization, licensing is the music industry term for licensing music for any kind of audio-visual multimedia experience, so like a film or a podcast or a game. And there are actually a lot of mobile games, especially, which I think is probably one of the more underexplored areas of music and gaming partnerships. You normally think of these huge games like League of Legends or Fortnite, but there are a lot of emerging mobile games, a lot especially built around music, that are looking for partnerships with the music industry.”

To hear more from Hu’s conversation with The Agenda — including her deeper explanation of how subscribers have benefited from the research published by Water & Music — listen to the full episode on Cointelegraph’s Podcasts page, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And don’t forget to check out Cointelegraph’s full lineup of other shows!

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Iman Europe and The Agenda chat mental health, music, Web3 and The Homies DAO

Musician and The Homies DAO founder Iman Europe sat down with The Agenda podcast to discuss how her Web3-based project promotes wellness among music workers.

Talk to any musician who has “made it,” and they’ll say that achieving fame is both a gift and a curse. While success in entertainment can obviously bring many positives, it also carries the pressure to stay relevant, the worry of constantly needing to stay connected to fans, and the loss of freedom and privacy that comes with being a regular Joe — all of which can be utterly exhausting. Add a jam-packed events schedule that robs artists of the time to detox and socialize, and fame begins to look like just as much a burden as it may be a blessing.

On the flip side, those aspiring to break through and finally go mainstream deal with the pressure of an uphill climb and the potential outcome that after all the struggle, there might not be a light at the end of the tunnel.

For this reason, mental health, wellness and feeling like one is plugged into a community are things all creators need to allocate time to, and The Homies DAO is focused on just that.

On Episode 17 of The Agenda podcast, hosts Ray Salmond and Jonathan DeYoung speak with singer and The Homies DAO founder Iman Europe about how the collective is using Web3 to bring artists together to focus on wellbeing.

A safe space for artists to breathe, relax and socialize

During the conversation, Europe detailed how lonely being a musician can feel and how difficult it can be to maintain social connections, given that sometimes it seems like family members are constantly hitting you up for money and perks, and strangers you connect with might have the ulterior motive of getting special benefits thanks to their new-found friend’s fame.

“I know a lot of artists felt very burnt out last year and felt like they couldn’t find their footing oftentimes because everything was moving so fast in Web3,” she said. “And so I saw the need for wellness in the space, and I also was needing it. I was juggling being an artist and the head of artist relations of Sound.xyz, and it was a lot. They were two full-time jobs, and I wasn’t making enough time for myself and my wellness, and I saw the effects of that.”

This inspired Europe to found The Homies DAO. “When I got to the end of the year, I knew I wanted to focus this year on wellness more and on being able to give that back to myself and also creating space for artists to do the same.”

When asked about the type of wellness and community activities Homies DAO members could participate in, Europe mentioned that the decentralized autonomous organization (DAO) provides a safe space and community where creators participating in the music industry can socialize, unwind, meditate, work out and engage in activity that offers a sense of community.

“We’re hosting our first event at the end of this month, the Homies Hangout, where we’ll have different forms of wellness. So it’ll be physical wellness — we’ll start with exercise, riding the bikes and spinning. This will be hosted at Burn Cycling. So we’ll start off with that, and then we’ll take a break and then come back for a sound bath, which is spiritual wellness. And then we’ll do some affirmations, and we’ll have someone come in and lead a group therapy session where we can all kind of talk together and talk about mental wellness and different resources to bettering that.”

As for the DAO’s future plans, “We plan to do a few things like monthly meetups like that, but also monthly meetups online where we’re able to just check in with each other and just have a space for that,” said Europe, adding:

“We later plan to do like educational content and just creating different content to bring more people on-chain. We want to create and mint projects through our DAO with the artists, maybe based around wellness. And our hopes are later to expand to offline retreats for artists, artist residencies.”

The Homies aims to put the focus on people instead of the pursuit of profit

Like a handful of the other crypto and Web3-focused DAOs in the space, The Homies DAO also has a nonfungible token (NFT) collection, with holders entitled to DAO membership and various other perks. Generally, projects with tokens or NFTs also have to contend with price speculators and NFT investors who don’t contribute anything to the project.

On the matter, Europe said, “I didn’t want to make this speculative. I wanted to make this more so of a community. They are limited. I think we’ll only have 500 members total right now.”

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When asked why she’s not currently concerned with floor prices, increasing the collective’s size, or even partnering with blue-chip projects, Europe replied:

“We’ll only have 500 because we really want to know each other, and we’re really trying to build a community, not just like a project. I think that’s the difference between a DAO and a project, is you want as many people to be on it as possible. But I think when we think of wellness, it is an intimate thing. And sometimes when you make it more about like clout and, I don’t know, speculation, it loses its truth, and it loses its power to really do what we want to do in this wellness.”

To hear more from Iman Europe’s conversation with The Agenda — including details on some major future plans for The Homies DAO — listen to the full episode on Cointelegraph’s Podcasts page, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And don’t forget to check out Cointelegraph’s full lineup of other shows!

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